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  whats so bad about believing people go to heaven?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it occurred to me today, that so often, my mother will make the comment that .

  "those false religions teach that everyone is going to heaven when they die, oh sure, .

  all you have to do is be a good person, and off you go to heaven.

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  Q.: What's so bad about believing people go to heaven?

  A.: For openers, such a believe is incorrect and has no basis in observable reality. It is an extraordinary claim for which no extraordinary proof is offered. The fact is that there is no such thing as a "spirit realm" populated by any kind of gods, angels or demons. There is no soul and there is no heaven for a soul to go to. These things are the inventions of chimpanzee imagination seeking desperately for a meaning for their lives. On a universal scale, our lives are as meaningful to the universe as the life of a spider, axolotl or fossa.

  Secondly, such a belief encourages the believer to view this life as a "dress rehearsal" for something better that will come along as soon as they finish with this nasty trail of tears. Such a belief encourages people to tolerate evil because they figure that evil will be handled in the "world to come."

  It makes trusting simple souls the dupes of narcissistic liars and con men.

  It is the desperate refuge of ignorant shallow thinkers.

  THAT is what is so bad about believing people go to heaven.
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  Why do American Christians stand with Muslim Nations on the Question of Evolution?

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some statistics.

  this graph charts national responses to the statement, "human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animal," and show some strange bedfellows.. .

  as you see, a huge majority (70% and higher) of western europe people surveyed, accept evolution (in some form).

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  "...and a woman said, "Speak to us of FREEDOM."

  He replied, "Freedom is in the heart of every child. It is the heart's desire of every creature above the level of the insects.

  Freedom begins when we first learn to say NO."
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  $10 per pub. Money begging session last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last night, during our "christian life and ministry" meeting, we had a session on local needs.

  elder opened the talk with a disclaimer saying that this was a reminder (cited psalms about how david loved jehovahs reminders).

  he reminded us of how bless we are of having our own local assembly hall.

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  Did they make it clear that this $10 obligation is for EACH MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY for each day of the assembly?

  It's great that they don't take collection and rely on Jehovah to keep the work going forward.

  The Jehovah Sock Puppet, on the other hand, relies on guilt-trpping and threats that you might not see Paradise if you're not a cheerful Borg-anism.

  It's all BIBLE BASED, you see!
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  Why do American Christians stand with Muslim Nations on the Question of Evolution?

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some statistics.

  this graph charts national responses to the statement, "human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animal," and show some strange bedfellows.. .

  as you see, a huge majority (70% and higher) of western europe people surveyed, accept evolution (in some form).

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  Just as there are many paths to the top of a mountain, there are many paths to the bottom of the intellectual valley. Two different paths, both descended from Abraham, arrive at the same stagnant pond.
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  Office Jargon, drives me nuts

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. humour

  'granular' seems to be the latest buzz word going around my office.

  previously it was 'appetite'.. abstract words that appear to be designed to make the person saying it appear powerful and part of the 'team'.. as lord sugar has observed before; why not just speak english and say what you mean.. office jargon really annoys me.

  i had enough loaded language and jargon in the disgusting jw cult..

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  Found quote (not mine)

  "Sometimes, I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis."
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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  Tedious and boring flock of 'tards.

  
  
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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  neverendingdummy asked, "Are you off your meds?"

  
  

  I'm not on meds. Are you off your rocker?

  
  

  Jookbeard, I'm fine, thanks. How are you? I get weary reading posts that are closer to the random typing of a demented chimp than the communication of an intelligent human, and I am especially weary of those who feel that the most politically correct path in life is the one with low expectations and zero accomplishment.

  Am I correct that you are in Germany, jookbeard? How are you liking all those unfortunate refugees who are simply catching up on their sex quotas with the women of a country that extended a helping hand to them?

  
  

  Allah-hu fubar.
  
  
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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  Nathan Natas

  From the posting guidelines:

  "What not to post...

  
  

  • Unreadable, non-english or gibberish / nonsense"

    In my never-humble opinion, pidgin english, like "l33t" does not belong on the board. I'm sorry if non-english speakers and illiterates find this discomforting and I invite them to start their own boards on which their ignorance can proliferate.

    
    
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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  Nathan Natas

  Olivia, you might enjoy his other book, "In Search of Crispy Chicken."

  Best wishes.
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  Surgery/Infection/Pain

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear fellow posters and friends:.

  a friend had been making excellent recovery after hospitalization and rehab.

  then, some 6 weeks later, while an infection set in, he had to return to hospital.

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  Nathan Natas

  A fellow I knew when I was much younger was a big guy all his life. In time he became an elder, and was made to feel shame because of his larger-than-average size. Might he be "stumbling" some pinhead busybodies by his obvious "gluttony"?

  So he went in to the hospital to have one of the several kinds of gastric surgery that are available today.

  While in hospital he contracted a MRSA infection (hospitals are the most likely places to contract MRSA) and after a few weeks fighting the flesh-eating infection, he died.

  He's much thinner now, yahu akbar!

  Remembering Danny S., who was ALWAYS a GOOD GUY and didn't deserve to die because of "teachings of men."